Shamelessly nicked without permission from diabetes.co.uk Well said Sir !

phoenix wrote:

"The people on here are a 'few ' people on a forum. Frequent posters are a tiny number of the actual members, they are people who have had a measure of success and find themselves well supported, others though are less supported and unsurprisingly they don't stay. This is not a representative sample. Moreover all have lost weight fairly recently so cannot be compared with what happened over a period of 11 years."

That is still constructively avoiding the point I was trying to impart in my opinion.

 

The following should be read in the context of T2 posters only. At any particular time on this forum there have been a number of frequent posters. If you look back one year there were a set of frequent posters, two years another set of frequent posters, three years more frequent posters, four years a further set etc. Some have remained posters but many, the majority even, have come and gone. Also at any particular time there have been less frequent posters notably people who arrive on the forum then ask for advice, get that advice, do the advice then leave as mostly satisfied customers. It's what the T2 sections of this forum do best in my opinion.

The overwhelming vast majority of those posters over the years have reported that low carb works. They may have argued that this kind of low carb was better than that kind of low carb and even been at each others throats over which method is best. Some have said said lchf, some have said vlc, some have said lclf, some have argued for gi, some have argued for gl and others portion control with an effective carb control element. Do you know what? I don't give a damn what they use and I'll try and support every last one of them even if they are using a different method than me because they all share a common underlying theme which is generically low carb works and has been reported to have worked by hundreds of members over the time the forum has existed.

 

Denying that simple fact is absurd and trying to make out the low carb success story in all its forms is only a recent thing being pushed by the likes of me and a few other posters is just as absurd.

You state "and a measure of success and find themselves well supported". That's the point they are being supported by being given low carb advice by members on this forum. I'm glad you finally admit that low carb advice given by me and many, many other members over the years leads to success.  Perhaps if they were given similar low carb support by the NHS it too would begin to reap the benefits.

I'm actually amazed that someone with your very apparent interest and respect of science and as someone who is obviously a gifted amateur (for want of a better phrase) that you appear to be in denial about both the implications of the failure of the AHEAD Trail and the evidence before your eyes in the form of all those real people who have passed in front of you reporting their low carb success on this forum over the years you've been a member.